Sunday, October 19, 2014

Blurred Lines? Group One

Robin Thicke pushed the boundaries of the radio waves in 2013 when he dropped his single “Blurred Lines”. Filled with lyrics about how much he knows women want sex, many people have been viewing this song as a step backwards from the progress that women have been making to keep themselves from being objectified. The song was complemented by a video that, of course, raised even more concerns than the song, especially in feminist circles. As a feminist response to the bigotry of Thicke’s video, a group of women called Auckland Uni created a parody called “Defined Lines” during the same year. We attempt to give a queer reading of these two videos comparing them to one another using Adrienne Rich’s definition of queer which is mainly about stomping out patriarchy once and for all. She says that “Women could be indifferent to [men] altogether; that men could be allowed sexual and emotional access to women only on women’s terms” (643). We will show how the feminist video utilizes Rich’s advice about how women can fight against the normalization of a dominant male culture.

Thicke’s video for “Blurred Lines” is set in what appears to be a strange sort of private party atmosphere that features a variety of scantily clad women. Throughout, these women are portrayed in a way that conveys innocence and vulnerability. They are lead around by Thicke and his other male counterparts like sheep, clothed in various nude and muted colors, and their hair is periodically brushed and petted as if they were dolls. Their childlike appearance contrasts the stance of power and assurance belonging to Thicke and the other men present. This imagery is problematic in that it enforces a gender binary that asserts that men should hold dominance over women, the weaker sex. “Defined Lines” goes as far as to completely juxtapose what Thicke is intending to do in his video and dominate the males in a repressive role. The women covey their dominance by spraying whip cream and putting a vibrator in the men’s mouths; this is in reference to the male organ being used as a powerful mechanism in diminishing them. One of the singers then totes one of the men like a dog across the video frame on a leash like a dog. The intention is obvious in showing that women have just as much control over the opposite sex as men. In society, it wouldn’t be as shocking for women to take on an acting role in a music video as just a prop; such as the three women in “Blurred Lines.” But it seems extraordinarily degrading when one witnesses the man dressed in a leash. Society doesn’t seem as phased by degradation of women, but appalled when it is turned on men, this is precisely the point that the Auckland Uni artists are intending to make.

This rejection of male power and appetite that we see in Defined Lines falls in place directly with Rich's ideas of the lesbian continuum. Specifically, it capitalizes on the power that women hold as gatekeepers to intimacy, and their ability to choose how, when, and why to seek it, “It seems more probable that men fear… women could be indifferent to [men] altogether, that men could be allowed sexual and emotional access to women only on women’s terms”(643).  The entirety of the song, besides acting as a massive "Fuck You" to Robin Thicke, not only flips the gender dynamics we usually see in many music videos, but emphasizes women’s choice and agency in engaging in heterosexual relationships - with one girl going so far as to reject the whole thing entirely (“Your precious dick can’t beat my vibrator”). The videos continued deliberate use of phrases like, “our liberation”, “we don’t want it” also draws attention to the importance of unity and gives the viewer an impression of general female support through shared experience of misogyny and objectification. This idea of women supporting women against the patriarchy is an integral part of Rich’s lesbian continuum, and despite lacking any overt sexual material between women (except for a brief scene where two of the women “share” a man), the video imparts this through empowerment and female connection.

Unfortunately, Robin Thicke’s music video for “Blurred Lines” and the message it’s imagery presents is not uncommon in the music industry, Representations of the dominant male and the subordinate woman are present in music videos and performances cross genre and culture. Auckland Uni’s parody, “Defined Lines,” shows a different potential for the world of music media. It offers the argument that the more common representations we are given may not be the only way sex and gender play out in real life. Although some might deem it too extreme or comical, much like Rich’s idea of the lesbian continuum it shows that perhaps there is a different way to exist. A greater allowance of variability in the music industry could be the key to unlocking a world of possibilities for the representation of women in our society.

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS
  1. In general, what does the term “Blurred Lines” in the music video “Blurred Lines” by Robin Thicke mean in context of sex, gender roles, and harassment? What are Auckland Uni artists trying to say by naming their parody “Defined Lines?” In what ways to the compare
  2. Auckland Uni’s parody of “Blurred Lines” attempts to break down the stereotypical presentation of sex and gender contained in the original music video. In our opinion it serves as a powerful visual tool that fights the way women are portrayed by the media. What are some ways you believe tangible change can be made in our everyday lives? How can we better represent women in the workplace, in classrooms or in our neighborhoods?
  3. We classified Auckland Uni’s video as queer because it is fighting against a normalized system of patriarchy. What do we have to do to take Auckland Uni’s ideas about women’s rights out of the “queer” zone? Is this video a good way to change the way that males view women? Is it too radical, making people shy away from feminism?

33 comments:

  1. Blurred Lines:
    http://www.vevo.com/watch/robin-thicke/Blurred-Lines-(Unrated-Version)/USUV71300526


    Feminist Parody:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2M6JUFCCSA

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  2. SHOOT I'm sorry don't open the Blurred Lines link, its the nude version hahaha heres the real one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyDUC1LUXSU

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  3. Wow! I have seen Robin Thick 's "Blurred Lines" music video before but I guess I never really realized what it was portraying. I think when I fist watched it I was simply just caught off guard with video as a whole; to me it was just strange. But this time watching it I couldn't help but to watch it with a scowl on my face. I decided to watch the nude version Mimi posted by accident and honestly there's really no huge difference between the nude version and non nude version the message is the same. After watching both ( I didn't even know a nude version exsisted) I was completely taken back. The fact that this video is literally comparing women to animals is crazy! Male dominance is a central theme in this music video and the song itself. The lyrics, "I know you want me, it rhymes with hug me"....really? What is this saying about women as a whole... On top of that the women in this video are completely catering to the men. The part that stood out to me was when the one lady lit Robin's cigarette then he blew the smoke in her face; can we say disrespect? In regards to Auckland Uni's parody of the video I can see the point in making it but then again I have to question, is it going to far? For me that's a tough line to walk. There has to be a line drawn somewhere, but her parody makes so many great points. How could anyone find her video offensive and not the orginal? Is it because it could be seen as exploiting men?....But it was okay when it was the other way around...right?
    P.S I loved this post Group 1! :)

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  4. I’m actually really happy you posted this group one! I’ve seen this video before and love having a genuine excuse for watching this again haha. I mean who doesn’t love watching hot guys in their underwear for class? Okay, I’m a bit biased but I digress.

    I think this video can be hard to qualify which I think Lydia touches upon towards the end of her post. One way to qualify the video is by taking the lyrics literally which would mean the girls are being very Rich-esque (or highly feministic) by combating the male dominated world and saying “We don’t need a man to make us happy.” Another way is reading this video as more sarcastic meaning the group is trying to tell Robin Thicke, “Dude your video is outrageously sexist and here’s why from a perspective you might understand better.” It could even be a combination of the two: promoting feministic themes while combating the idea that the original version’s portrayal of women is okay.

    Depending on how you read the video will determine what you get out of it which makes it a great topic of debate but also problematic. I, personally, feel this video is a creative and fun way to critique how males view females but I also feel that it is necessary to mention that this might not be the best method. Some people are going to think it is too radical if they take the lyrics too seriously. I doubt there is any real remedy to this but I felt it was necessary to bring up the point that while I, and others in the class, might read this “queerly,” others won’t depending on how they read the message.

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  5. I thought the parody video was very clever. I think it shows just how ridiculous Robin Thicke's "Blurred Lines" video is. When you put men in roles that way when society is only used to women being in those dismissive roles it shocks a lot of people. It draws more attention to that video, why it is supporting rape culture, and much more discussion on the gender, sexuality, and power implications.

    Auckland Uni is trying to convey with their "Defined Lines" how flawed society's representations of women's consent and fantasies are.I think the whole premise of this song is about pushing the boundaries of consent. It has been my experience that some men believe women want them to be sexually aggressive and persistent. This is always reinforced in movie sex scenes, on prime time t.v., in popular music, and even in fictitious books. These women are taking a stand in saying they don't want to be submissive to males and by consistently casting women in these demeaning roles they are perpetuating the wrong type of culture. This parody is big on giving women the power that they so rarely have in pop culture.The actual lyrics of this song were very suggestive of rape, and unfortunately, this song was very successful. It shows how much room there is for progress and how absurd this degrading videos like this one are.

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  6. I loved this post group one! I really am disappointed that society today allows videos such as Thicke’s to be so popular and widespread. It is so controversial because although the song may be catchy and fun, the lyrics are pretty disgusting and derogatory. This definitely calls society’s acceptance of media such as this into question. It is interesting how people will be outraged with certain portrayals of gay/lesbian/ queer/ etc… but yet a video portraying women as animals gets up to 3 million views and becomes a chart topping hit.

    I have to say I had never seen either of these music videos before, but I found them very interesting and definitely relevant to what we discuss every day in class. After watching the videos, I really agree with Zach’s response on how there can be many different interpretations. It is really up to the individual to decide if the video can be taken as queer, derogatory, or just plain strange. The action against Robin Thicke's video can really be seen from so many points of views and therefore come to multiple different conclusions. My main concern of Auckland Uni’s video is that although it might make people look down on Thicke’s original portrayal of women, it might also being doing women just as bad of an injustice by wearing short skirts, red lipstick, and almost coming off as snobby and materialistic.

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  7. I literally just spent half an hour writing the most beautiful post. Then something popped up for me to login and now it's gone...

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  8. In order to bring Uni’s ideas about women’s rights out of the queer zone we must normalize the reality that women are not objects. After all, it is the normalized practice of female objectification that provides the context in which this video is considered shocking or revolutionary.
    In my personal opinion, this video is a great way to challenge the way men look at women. Nothing makes guys pay attention like the casual mention of castration. (I mean that in the best way possible.) The lyrics use plain, simple language that even the most bullheaded bigot could understand, leaving no grounds for claims that the lyrics don’t make sense and/or arguments that the audience doesn’t understand the ideas being presented. Originally, I was going to add something here about the text in the first frame that reads “no men were harmed in the making of this video,” but my first attempted comment got deleted/lost by the site, and now I don’t remember my profound statement on it. Whoops.
    Personally, I don’t think this video is too radical. However, like any feminist commentary or political statement, it has the potential for a man to walk away feeling emasculated and bitter about it for any number of irrational or egotistical reasons.

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  9. Excellent post group one! I have never personally been a big fan of the song Blurred Lines. I have always found it rather annoying and as a result I have never watched the music video until now so thank you for making me sit down and watch it to realize what a truly nasty video it is.

    Similarly to Lydia, after watching the video I was sort of left with a scowl on my face and a bitter taste in my mouth so to speak. I can't believe that society condones the representations of notions of Robin's lyrics and his video. Referring to women as "animals" and saying "I know you want it" is very demeaning and tasteless in my eyes. It contributes to the idea that men are somehow superior to women which is entirely erroneous. Also, when the lyrics say "you're a good girl" it leads me to believe that this song/video is contributing to the laughable idea that if women have sex they are no longer "good" but if men do it it is totally fine.

    Switching gears to the parody, I found it to be a very strong feminist statement and a solid bashing of Blurred Lines. However, just because it is a complete role reversal, I still don't find it as an acceptable presentation of human beings. Both videos, as Jenna stated above, are strongly perpetuating the concept of compulsory heterosexuality. As a result of this I am left feeling conflicted on the video. In some ways I want to applaud Aukland Uni for standing up and defending females, but at the same time, as a member of the LGBT community I don't condone the perpetuation of compulsory heterosexuality. Overall though, the video can definitely be viewed from many different perspectives and it is open to interpretation which is illustrated through all of our responses thus far.

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  11. Personally, I have always hated the song, "Blurred Lines," and after watching the video for the first time, I have grown to loathe it even more. Obviously, the video promotes disgraceful female gender roles, but I think it also encourages men to be egotistical. No, Robin Thicke, believe it or not, everyone doesn't want you. I think the video shocked a lot of people upon its release, and even more when he performed at the VMA's with Miley Cyrus. Who could ever forget that one? I agree with Michelle's post that spoke about how women are constantly objectified in the current media. It's an unfortunate trend that seems to be growing rapidly.

    I think there are two sides in which to view the Auckland Uni parody. First, I think taking things to extremes in order to make a point is a very effective strategy as a whole. It gets attention. However, if you mute the video, could you still view it through a queer lens? As Jenna said, there is hardly any interaction between the women, which poorly promotes the idea of the power of female relationships over the patriarchy.

    Also, I was browsing through the comments under the video to see what the rest of society had to say. There were multiple users who commented on the attractiveness of the group. One in particular saying, "get over the upset its a damn video nothing more. plus the girls are hot." In this way, I feel the appearance of the group somewhat overshadows their intended message. How would the response be different if the group was "less attractive" by today's standards?

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  13. As with just about everyone else, I did not really like the song "Blurred Lines". As I don't particularly notice popular music my first introduction to it was my friend telling me how it is nearly solely about "blurred lines" of consent. Using this view the song comes into focus. The entire song sounds like a guy's bad attempt at "picking up" a woman from a party. the environment of the music video seems like it could be a house party especially with the expensive looking alcohol that is a traditional marker of hegemonic masculinity.

    "Defined Lines", then, is in direct contrast to the idea of consent being unclear. Throughout the song the singers make it very clear that they may want sex or they may not but that they need to be respected either way. This is made most clear in this quote:

    Listen, mankind
    If you wanna get nasty
    Just don't harass me
    You can't just grab me
    That's a sex crime
    Yeah we don't want it

    "Defined Lines" does a good job of combating the hegemonic masculinity that "Blurred Lines" exudes, but, as many people have pointed out before me, it does nothing to combat compulsory heterosexuality nor does it give an example of even a part of the lesbian continuum.

    On a side note, the men in "Defined Lines" are not (all) the muscular model types that would traditionally be the male equivalent of the women models in "Blurred Lines". Perhaps they were just models of opportunity, or perhaps there was a reason. The most meaning I can find in it is an acceptance of non-traditional beauty, but the women in "Defined Lines" (I would say) are traditionally beautiful.

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  14. First of all, I love the comparison of videos and am happy that I got the chance to see the parody. I knew how much hatred that Thicke got for his song/video but I never knew that there were as many parodies in response.

    I have very mixed emotions about the video as a whole, especially after reading everyone else's thoughts. "Blurred Lines" is of course offensive to me because I see it as misogyny and complete disrespect to women, but I can't exactly support "Defined Lines" for the exact reason of degrading men. I love the fact that three educated and strong women can go to the lengths of creating such a strong message opposing the prior, but it does go to the same extreme as Robin Thicke's.

    I like Jenna V's point that the parody isn't exactly able to be viewed as queer or in most ways lesbian. I did notice though, that in Blurred Lines, the women don't so much interact with the men as much as they do the props and each other; they kind of just stand there being touched and looking at the camera like dolls.

    I liked Jenna L's question of how women who are "less attractive" (by society's standards) would have gone over in the video. Although, if the women weren't as attractive as they are, men who see it would be appalled by not only the message and images, but the girls as well and what good would that do in comparing their video to Thicke's?

    Lastly, I liked Quincy's point that the men in "Defined Lines" are not portrayed as being as attractive in comparison as the women in Blurred Lines. The three women are all different in physical presence, but still all have the societal attractiveness of being tall, thin, and with luscious hair, skin and makeup. The three men have varying height, muscle tone, and levels of perceived awkwardness.

    Overall, the parody does a good job in combating the original video, but I think it goes a bit far to make a point and is not as progressive of a message as intended. I don't think the videos can be read to its full extent as "queer".

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  15. I feel that "Defined Lines" in itself is a good way to go against the ways that typical males perceive as more of sex objects than people, but as Brooklyn had mentioned before, I also cannot agree with the way that it is done. To me, it seems to be fighting fire with fire and while that does well to point out the flaws in the original "Blurred Lines", it doesn't go much past retaliation. Further action need to be taken in order to really bring about the societal change they desire. Awareness definitely is the first step to the better treatment of women, but the push for equal representation is what will bring the most change. Our generation is going to have the most influence for this push, so it almost falls upon us to call out those who still objectify others and don't respect the defined lines of ones sexual desires. Now that's not to say that it falls solely on us, but we do have a big sphere of potential influence.

    Can "Defined Lines" really be seen as queer though? As far as going against the societal norms, I would agree that yes, this parody would be considered queer. It could also fit into the lesbian continuum dealing with the bond that these three women share to fight against their objectification. However, in dealing with more specific terms of "queer" --as we've seen with Cohen and Warner dealing with queer as an individuals non-hetero sexuality and its relation with politics (I would agree with Jenna on "queer" being defined in this common way)--I feel that "Defined Lines" does not quite fit.

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  16. I remember when Blurred Lines originally came out and the controversy behind this video, as you couldn't go anywhere without hearing the infectious beat that always made me want to dance before I was aware of the lyrics. It shocked me when I found out that the director of the video is a woman by the name of Diane Martel. There was an interview she did with HuffingtonPost.com, which she states the following:

    "I wanted to deal with the misogynist, funny lyrics in a way where the girls were going to overpower the men. Look at Emily Ratajkowski’s performance; it’s very, very funny and subtly ridiculing. That’s what is fresh to me. It also forces the men to feel playful and not at all like predators. I directed the girls to look into the camera, this is very intentional and they do it most of the time; they are in the power position. I don’t think the video is sexist. The lyrics are ridiculous, the guys are silly as fuck. That said, I respect women who are watching out for negative images in pop culture and who find the nudity offensive, but I find [the video] meta and playful."

    I found this information interesting when I rewatched the clip to see if I could see how the women were empowered by prancing around naked for three fully clothed men who were either married(Robin Thicke and T.I.) or in committed partnerships(Pharrell Williams). But I do wonder that since the video was directed by a woman who was well aware of the intentions behind the lyrics for the song, do the women in this video actually have agency over how their sexuality is perceived by the men, or is this just another performance of compulsory heterosexuality tailored towards the male gaze?

    When I viewed Auckland Uni's parody "Defined Lines", I was struck by how simple and straightforward their message was regarding the objectification of women. In my personal opinion, the images in this video weren't as compelling to me, because it seemed as if the participants themselves weren't as invested in buttressing the strong lyrics with visuals that were just as strong. As other posters have commented, the women were traditional in their beauty and their style of dress. The men themselves, though varying in body type; didn't look as sexualized nor did they seem convinced that they were willing sexual objects for the women in the video. Not in the way that Blurred Lines leads us to believe that these women, though being degraded by these men, are enjoying the fact that they are being objectified and are eager to be the embodiment of what Thicke's lyrics are suggesting, much to the pleasure of he and his cronies.

    I do think Auckland Uni made a strong attempt with their parody through their lyrics to combat Thicke's very intentional visual and vocal messages that are invested in objectifying women to the point of degradation, for their enjoyment. However, their visuals were not as captivating, so it is my belief that their message of women having agency as to how and with whom they express their sexuality is lost to those who need to hear such messages.

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  17. I have never enjoyed Robin Thicke's Blurred Lines, and rewatching the video helped solidify my dislike for it. The video is implying that women are just walking, talking sex toys that men are allowed to degrade and objectify, and every women will "want it."

    I don't, however, believe that Defined Lines was the proper response to the original, misogynist Blurred Lines. Defined Lines is a step in the right direction, in my opinion, because it does a good job of pointing out how ludicrous Blurred Lines is, and also takes a stand against settling for the standards men place on women. However, I feel this video could have been more empowering. I feel that it is missing a key point, and that is that all women are different; different looking, different personalities, different interest and different lifestyles. The three women in the video are white and thin, and are attractive by societal standards. Not all women who are objectified by men look like them. More often than not, they do not look like them. I feel this video should have included more women. I also think there are more powerful ways of combatting misogynists, other than reversing the roles. I feel that by basically flipping the roles of men and women in this video, the argument is lost. I also do not believe this video falls into the queer zone. Going against gender normative practices is the only queer thing about this video, but it is not enough to consider it queer.

    Again though, this video is a step towards the right direction, and I believe stands like this should continue to be taken because it is important that men understand that their needs, requests, and standards are ridiculous and that women are not there for them to harass and objectify.

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  18. The entirety of Robin Thicke’s Blurred Lines video profits off of dehumanizing women and delights in making them uncomfortable. The repeated line “you’re an animal. Baby, it’s in your nature” coupled with the images of nude (or clothed in nude colors) women being paired with sheep and dogs in addition to their being petted and groomed as such suggests that women are on the same level as animals. In this way, the video successfully removes the women from being thought of as people. This immediate dehumanization makes it acceptable for the men in the video – as well as the audience – to joyfully and deliberately cause these women to be uncomfortable. The men in the video pull at the women’s hair to lead them, place themselves in intimate proximity with them, and at one point blow smoke in a woman’s face to watch her cough.
    The parody by Auckland University students, Defined Lines, really latches on to the overt misogyny in Blurred Lines and reverses the heteronormative roles of male/female performances in media. By addressing the unfortunate and harmful representations of sex and gender in the original music video – the way of conveying power dynamics through clothed/unclothed figures, the way in which the figures given the position of power over the other is able to play with and utilize the other as an object of interest, etc. –, Defined Lines is able to draw attention directly to the problems presented in Blurred Lines which can be metonymic of the entire media industry. “You can’t just grab me, / That’s a sex crime. / Yeah, we don’t want it. / It’s chauvinistic. / You’re such a bigot” very boldly and clearly states the basis of their complaint.
    Jenna Vinson raises a good point, however, when noting the compulsory heterosexuality in Defined Lines. “Listen, Mankind, / If you wanna get nasty / Just don’t harass me” and “Gotta respect me for me to be your boo” assures the men in the video as well as the audience that they are still sexually viable candidates for male partners and essentially hinges their argument for respect on the grounds of “if you respect me, I will sleep with you.” This is problematic because respect shouldn’t be conditional on whether or not an individual will gratify one sexually or romantically. Despite singing about “resist[ing] all the gender roles,” the women in the video do rely heavily on patriarchal standards for beauty and respectability. From their red lipstick to their black heels to their “We are scholastic, / Smart and sarcastic. / Not fucking plastic,” they support an acceptable form of femininity. I don’t say this to put down femininity, but to point out that they aren’t challenging the heteronormative ideals of femininity as a patriarchal concept. Although Defined Lines does align with Adrienne Rich’s lesbian continuum theory and does work well to draw attention to important issues in media, there is certainly room for improvement.

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  19. I was honestly pretty shocked to read some of the comments on the Defined Lines video after I watched it. It was shocking how many people were offended by this video, saying that the parody was disrespectful and treating men like "door mats" and the original was a lustful way of looking at women. I did not get that impression at all. I do agree that the parody was a little more blatant about treating the men like "door mats", but I thought that was the case because it was supposed to be satirical. So going to the question that Group 1 gave us about whether or not this video was too radical, I don't think this video was too "radical" at all. People are going to act rashly, like in the comments, to something that is outside the norm. But even though people may take this satirical video on more of a serious note, it had a good lesson. Although not everyone likes to hear it and accept how incredibly demeaning Blurred lines is, I think Auckland Uni did a great job getting their point across.

    Although I thought that Uni's video was a step going in the right direction, I saw that it was taken in the wrong way from some of the comments. I saw that many people interpreted it as women want men to do all the "hard work" and never want to pay them back for it. One of the comments that really caught me off guard was a man who said that men pay the bills and make the money and then that this video shows that the girls want them to come home from work and get on their hands and knees for the girl. In my opinion, this interpretation of the video is completely out of wack. It's ridiculous to think that people get upset about men getting represented as "slaves" for a women, but how it is suddenly okay when the roles are reversed? And why is that? Because men are the ones "paying the bills"? Welcome to the twenty first century, because in many circumstances that is not the case. I was really ashamed that people took that away from this video. I think there were ways that Uni could have tweaked with the video and made it better, but for the most part it had a strong message. It's truly unfortunate that people can interpret it in such a twisted way.

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  20. In Robin Thicke’s video, “blurred lines” can refer to the sometimes unclear communication that surrounds sex. In a good sexual relationship, there should be no blurred lines. The term can be viewed in a couple of different ways, but one of the controversial interpretations is that there might be a lack of consent. If there isn’t good communication, the lines can be blurred, and one of the participants can actually be very uncomfortable with some or all aspects of the sexual interaction. Such a lack of communication can have disastrous consequences.

    The Auckland Uni artists were trying to drive home the point that there should never be “blurred lines” in a sexual context. There should always be very clear and open communication; or what they call “defined lines”.

    I like the idea of challenging Thicke’s video and lyrics, but don’t love the way that they did it. I believe that everyone is equal and should be treated with respect, and therefore don’t appreciate the humiliation of the men in the video. I understand that the Auckland Uni artists were trying to make a point about how women are often objectified, harassed, and “dominated” by men, I just wish that they didn’t feel the need to objectify men to drive their point home.

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  21. In this music video, I would say that "Blurred Lines" definitely alludes to the complexity of sex. Thicke states that he 'hates these blurred lines,' though in an ideal world there should be no blurred lines. In that sense, sex itself should be a yes/no question. However, I feel like it can be looked at even further. He may be talking about the blurred lines during sexual intercourse itself; what does someone want, how do they want it? In that case even 100% consensual sex can have blurred lines. It's not a preferable situation, though it does happen. In sexual life, I feel like there are several types of lines: there are defined lines, which are hard yes's and no's, be they about if they want to have sex or what they want to do during sex, and then there are the previously mentioned blurred lines as well.

    This being said though, I definitely wouldn't say I approve of Thicke's music video. It poorly portrays women, and in whole is awfully disrespectful. This, in turns, makes these 'blurred lines' mentioned appear to be the ones that should be defined. It's a poor portrayal of gender roles as well, and I feel that we can agree on the fact that women are not just people who are here to be used, or are here solely for the pleasure of men.

    However, on the other hand 'Defined Lines' isn't all that great either, and I feel like it might have been more strong if they didn't try so hard to make it look even more awkward than the video it was a parody of. It's lyrics are much better, but they're lost within the absurdness of the video. I think the video cane be seen as queer, as it is outside of the norm, but it's not exactly a shining example to use. Women were objectified and they want it to stop, so they objectify men to achieve their point. To me it almost seems to drive home the point that objectifying is okay. So in my opinion here, two wrongs do no make a right.

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  22. I agree that our media is full of stereotypes about women these days. It even has too much that most of the people couldn’t even notice, because they are too common that make you feel it’s usual. That’s why sometimes an “unusual” fight back is necessary. I remember while I was searching some “feminist” pictures for another course, many pictures came up about “women against feminism”. I figured out that many people also have stereotypes about feminism. These stereotypes might be caused by those feminism expressions like “Defined Lines”, because they are so against the existing patriarchy that many people who have never thought about feminism would be drawn attention. And because they didn’t know much about feminism, they might be likely to form a biased concept about it. However, a radical way of fighting back is still necessary, since many people won’t even notice all these without it.
    A feminist could be angry and in most of the time, should be. The world is full of stereotypes and inequalities yet many of us haven’t even noticed. Because that’s the way the world is since they have noticed. And it is so hard to change it. But anger is not everything in the life, and being feminism is way far more than just against something. I think an aggressive way of expression is necessary, but it doesn't need to be always aggressive. The most important thing to do in daily life is just do what you like. I think it’s not a woman should be like this, or should be like that, but a woman who could be whoever she likes.

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  23. While I do enjoy the satire of "Defined Lines," especially in how the song rewrote the lyrics of "Blurred Lines," but I'm not sure if relating it to the lesbian continuum is the most accurate way to go. The concept at it's core is about the importance of erotic (intense, deep, not necessarily sexual) bonds between women. The video did not focus on any sort of relationship between the women. They were commonly shown standing next to each other, but they engaged more with the men than with one another.

    Another point of disagreement I have with this comparison as a queer reading is the fact that it works mostly within the dichotomy of men's oppression of women, and then vise versa in the parody. A big part of how Rich uses "queer" involves the breaking down of the current system of norms we have, mainly the patriarchy. But the "Defined Lines" video doesn't move outside of the barriers set up by patriarchal thinking. They simply switch the roles of the two genders involved. This doesn't mean that the video is ineffective. The point is very easy to get for someone who isn't well versed in feminism or queer theory, which is the most important part of a video like this. In a nutshell, I think this is a good reading, but I'd call it more feminist than queer because it's chosen subject doesn't move outside of the man/woman binary and the interaction between the women involved is limited. In most instances where they used "queer" in the reading, they could've easily used "feminist."

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  24. I felt like they were trying at first with the parody to dissipate the very crude patriarchal original video, but it just kinda flopped. I honestly feel like objectifying anyone, regardless or sex, gender, or sexuality is not humane. And, trying to create an "opposite" parody of it with the other sex is not going to make it any less harmful.

    Now I'm not saying I oppose being promiscuous or sexy; I'm opposing the way that it is described in the original Robin Thicke video and the all of the encompassing parodies. I especially find it irritating when he says the line, "Just let me liberate you..." It brings to mind the old, media-bashing ideal of a woman needing a man in order to accomplish anything, and that she cannot "liberate" herself through her own means and desires.

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  26. I think that the Blurred Lines video is extremely degrading to women, but it was still one of the number one videos when it came out, and it did not receive too much harsh criticism in the media. The lyrics alone symbolize the sex culture that men are brought up in, and I would go so far as to say reinforce dangerous ideas about choice, especially the lines “I know you want it.” This implies that without a woman actually saying anything, a man can just assume she wants it. Both the song and the video show the archaic way that women are still viewed in the media and in popular culture; as sex objects that men can just use.

    The Defined Lines music video is trying to prove a point about double standards and gender roles, however I think that is the wrong way to go about it. While I know the video is just a parody to prove how a double standard exists, I think it does not do a good job of trying to bring about feminism. It is not okay for men to objectify women in this way, so instead of making a video about women objectifying men, I think they should protest the who sexual culture between men and women, and not try to make it equal. It is more important to stop this degradation of women, rather than allow the same degradation of men. For this reason, I can see why the Defined Lines video has received criticism. At the same time though, I think it did a good job in proving just how strong these gender stereotypes and double standards are and show the extreme level at which they exist in our society.

    In order to propel the equal rights of women, we need to not only secure their rights and ideas in the workplace, but also change the way men view and portray women. Men are raised in a society that believes we are superior to women, so instead of just putting it on “feminists” to change the culture, we need to instill the idea that we are all equal in young boys so that they do not grow up thinking they are superior, but instead recognize that women are no less competent than them in any way.

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  27. When first watching the video I liked how Auckland Uni showed the objectification of men in order to make the point that women are objectified in media. I think it is sometimes necessary to go to such extremes to allow the not objectified to get a small feeling of what it is like for some people everyday. It allows the group of men, who don't see the objectification of women in media, a chance to see how that objectification feels like, and a chance to think of ways to either try to change or to become more aware of this objectification.

    I think that this video could be read as queer, but perhaps not by Rich's theory. Parts of the video could be read with her definition, such as where the lyrics ask for men not to harass the women, or where the video rejects the men's advancement for sex because it isn't on the women's terms. However as others have stated, there isn't as much of a bond between the women, neither sexually or emotionally. I see the idea of the interaction among women to be an important part of Rich's theory. Possibly one of Doty's definitions of queer could be used better for the video.

    The idea of defined lines could come from the idea that what Thicke's video was definitely wrong and the parody's attempt to define what was wrong with it. It also could be Auckland Uni's attempt to say 'hey there's something definitely wrong with the original and something not right about society's objectification of women. These are some of the things that are problematic.'



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  28. I don't think I need to reiterate much about how the original Thicke video is a prime example of compulsory heterosexuality/patriarchy/misogyny/obectification and dehumanization of women; that's been very well-covered by everyone so far and is fairly obvious.
    As far as the "Defined Lines" parody goes, I appreciate how it called out the blatant sexism of the original video, but after watching the original video I honestly felt like it didn't go far enough, or rather, it wasn't the right vehicle for accomplishing what a role-reversal critique could potentially accomplish. For a homeade parody video it was pretty well-shot, but it left me wondering what a serious piece that objectified men would look like. I've always been bothered by the fact that in the mainstream media male nudity or sexual objectification almost always occurs in a comedic context. Male nudity in films tends to be of the Jason Segel variety and I've seen other artists try to make a statement about gender roles in the media (I'm thinking now of Lily Allen's "Hard Out Here for a Bitch"), but they tend to fall into the category of satire. I know a lot of people have voiced the opinion that objectifying men won't stop the objectification of women and that is certainly true, but the way that the women in the video were treating the men often didn't seem very serious and I wonder if their message could have been more powerful if they had staged the parody as if it was a real music video in which treating men like inanimate props or animals was completely normal and not a political statement.
    I think this parody can be read as queer in that it contests male domination and objectification of women, even though it occurs in a very white/heterosexual/conventionally attractive way--it doesn't have to be transgressive in every way in order to be queer. That being said, I'm not sure that Rich's definition of queer is the best one, or at least I don't think that the lesbian continuum can be applied because, as some have already noted, the women hardly interact with each other at all.

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  29. In terms of Thicke's video, I think I agree with a majority of my fellow classmate's opinions when I state that the video is a prime example of misogynistic and sexist views that positions women as playthings for men to use. I think the song itself also has a lot to answer for in terms of being a sort of proponent of encouraging rape, depending on how you take some of the lyrics, specifically the repeated phrase of "I know you want it". It's a degrading song about women, and the video doesn't do much to help dispel it.
    That being said, I'm not sure exactly how I feel about the parody video "Defined Lines". While I agree somewhat with group 1's assertions that it falls under the definition of queer (the image of a man having a vibrator shoved in his mouth is a prime example of falling outside of societal norms and definitions) and while I do think that the song has great lyrics that certainly promote and show the importance of feminism, I 'm not sure the video itself is as effective in getting across the message i think it was trying to. Yes it shows women in powerful positions, and the power they're wielding is sexual, which i think is an important thing to promote within feminism. At the same time though I take issue with the fact that the parody nature of the video in a way diminishes the message trying to be disseminated. as others have noted in their responses, parodies by definition lose some of their power by being so close to the original. This video could have been a powerful, biting critique of Thicke's video and song, but by keeping so close to the source material, it just seems somewhat cute and chuckle-worthy, not something that could really hold attention and make people think. if it had done that, I think it could really be considered powerful, but instead it stops just short of that.

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  30. What Jenna V said above sums up what I was thinking - while the Blurred Lines video caused a big reaction when it came out, and there were many parodies made, The Auckland Uni parody (and the rest of them) didn't prove to be as effective in critiquing the patriarchy as much as it provided a fun, sarcastic romp for those offended by Thicke's video. To me it felt tired. The women in the parody had long hair, red lipstick, and pumps, not too unlike the women of Thicke's video. Their appearances, suggested sexual preferences, and attitudes fall right into line with compulsory heterosexuality. I don't think this supports Adrienne Rich's ideas, aside from the Lesbian Continuum aspect of multiple women coming together to create something.

    I found GM Dixon's comment above about the director of Thicke's video quite interesting. I remember reading similar a report of her feelings when the video came out, that the women in the video also found it empowering, and that Thicke's own wife did as well (that was before Thicke got sexy on stage with much-younger-than-him Miley Cyrus, creepy photos surfaced of him grabbing female fans' butts, his wife left him, and he made a very public and uncomfortable album trying to get her back... the context surrounding Blurred Lines is painfully ironic). I understand where these women are coming from, and that a woman can be empowered through her sexuality - being proud of her body and mind, deciding how and when she is viewed and who gets to see it. I understand why the director thought that having the women in the video stare into the camera would give them power. Unfortunately, that power didn't come across to most viewers. Did the director really think that having literally half-naked women prancing around men in suits (THE uniform of power) and dark sunglasses would put power in the women's hands? What's the reasoning behind the farm animals??? What about when Thicke pours himself liquor and doesn't share, which has its own odd symbolism? Does the director know anything about symbolism? Is she just using her statement to cover her ass for making a lot of women angry?

    Looking at everyone's comments on this post, it stands out to me that a lot of people were upset about the objectification of the men in the Auckland Uni parody video. While I understand where they're coming from, I think for humor's sake it was necessary and wholely lighthearted. Unlike in Thicke's song (which I've heard called the "Sexual Assault Anthem of 2013"), there was nothing in the parody song that alluded to actually wanting to dominate men or compare them to animals. I think it's very important to acknowledge what the domination of a man by a woman means in our society. Stereotypically, women are seen as submissive to dominant men. When the roles are reversed, it is read as something that is the man's idea, for his pleasure. This is one of the reasons the parody video didn't quite do it for me. In his video, Thicke established his power - with the fancy suit, high quality production, stacks of money, high profile rappers, #THICKE every two seconds, and balloons asserting the superiority of his penis. These are the kinds of things that a lot of people want and that are hard to take away from people who have them. Next to this, the Auckland Uni women don't feel very powerful. They are intelligent, and probably pretty cool, but in the grand scheme of things, they're only putting themselves out there because some rich powerful man released a song that reached millions of people, and they unfortunately don't have much power against that.

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  31. I agree with Johns statements. The video uses powerful opposition to show the ways in which Blurred lines is gendered against the female mind, as focused primarily on her body. The parody, however, is perhaps to opposing to get the point that he is trying to make get across to the people. Although Blurred Lines lyrics and the video are demeaning to women, it is demeaning because of its extreme view of them. Which in the parody also has an extreme view of the feminists perspective. When dealing with popular topics that are one sided we tend to oppose these views with other one sided opinions. When watching the video did not make me feel like I supported either of the messages that were conveyed, as they were too opposing and not understanding of one another. The queer view of the Blurred lines, to me, was not the Defined lines but something more understanding of both.

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  32. While I think the parody does do a good job of pointing out the flaws in the Blurred Lines video, I agree with Jenna's comment that role reversal to promote feminism, or really any kind of social justice, is getting very old. If anything, the fact that this video does seem to get its point across is what bothers me. I'm annoyed that in order to show that women deserve to be treated as more than just objects, men have to see themselves in those same positions. Sure, this might gain women sympathy from men, and in the long run it may begin to change the way women are treated in our society, but in the end a woman's autonomy is still dependent on the default men's autonomy, because they can only see women as full people and not just objects in relation to themselves. If this is really the kind of argument that seems to work best in promoting equality, then I think we need to be looking more into the structure of our society, and what specifically prevents men growing up in it from sympathizing with women simply because women are people.

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  33. The music video for Blurred Lines is definitely one of the most degrading videos, both lyrically and visually, of women displayed in more recent pop culture music. At least for the music that's made it to the top. The implications present in the video about how women exists essentially to be both visually and physically appealing to men creates the unjust and disgusting objectification of women. Defined Lines takes this and reverses it into developing a sense of humanity for women by telling men in a comedic way (probably in hopes to be received more positively by the men viewing it) that they exist for themselves and if they want to be with a man they can choose to do so as they wish. It's not up to the man, but up to the woman whether or not she "wants it". The objectification of women is only made more apparent by their rather revealing outfits as the men in the video look on and touch where they please while totally being covered themselves. It emphasizes how men aren't objectified the way women are. I'm not saying women shouldn't be able to be sexual, but they shouldn't be done so for the pleasure of men specifically, as displayed in this grotesque video.

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